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Finding the oldest Sega Genesis

Mar 12, 2013 at 2:42:51 AM
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Hi Everyone.

         I thought this could be a fun one to do, Everyone know that the Model 1 Sega Genesis were the first produced.

I thought it would be fun to see if we could locate the earliest one still around. I know mine cannot be it but I will at least
post the serial number I have on mine. Also I am not sure if this has ever been done before.

Anyways what I have found out about mine is that it is a Version VA2

on the 68000 CPU chip it has a date code of 8837 which is 1988 in the 37 week
also on the Z80 chip co processor chip the date code was 8922  Which dates the chip to 1989 in the 22nd week

The VA2 was found on the main board inside the console. Look and see what Version your is by opening your machine. Remove the top metal RF shield and look on the main board.

Model 1601

Ok serial number is 39S93002

Now I do know that the early model did say High Definition Graphics
on the console.

I am not 100% on this but I hope it is correct.

The first number in the serial number would stand for the Factory it was made in

The second number would stand for the year.
So if you have a

9 then it is 1989
0 then it is 1990
1 then it is 1991
2 then it is 1992

After the letter S or T These letters stand for the production run they came out of.  This could be any letter or even a number.

you see other digits
These last digits would represent what number of the console you have that was made in the year you have

So mine come out to be made in 1989 but would be the 93,002 machine made in that year
That a pretty high number,so I know there has to be older ones around.

NOTE TO Everyone TMSS is this TRADE MARK Security System. It will show up when you turn on your Sega.
PRODUCED BY OR UNDER LICENSE FROM SEGA ENTERPRISES LTD.
This will appear on the screen before the game loads. To Learn alot more about the TMSS please try this site.
http://segaretro.org/TradeMark_Security_System

This will really explain everything on TMSS

HDG is High Definition Graphics written by the Cartridge slot.

Anyways lets have fun with this and see who has the oldest machine around still from the begining of the Sega Genesis

Thanks


Special Note to everyone: Sega was not able to meet the initial release date and US sales began on August 14, 1989 in New York City
and
Los Angeles

The Sega Genesis was released in the rest of North America later that year on September 15, 1989.

The console was released in Japan as Mega Drive on October 29, 1988


NEW INFORMATION ON VERSIONS AND PRODUCTION RUNS. see post number 227 for this information.

OK HERE IS THE LIST SO FAR OF SERIAL NUMBERS IN ORDER OF WHEN THEY WERE PRODUCED !!!
 
Name Serial # Date made Unit made in that year Version Factory TMSS HDG   NTSC   PAL
 Villahed94 98M06056 1988 6056 Japan only Wow!!!  VA0 9 no Yes Yes  
 Disco_Stu 98M14130 1988 14130  VA0 9 no yes yes  
 Karmacutioner 39S00408 1989 408  Lowest !!!  VA2 3 no yes yes  
 Totally Terrific Pants 39V02139 1989 2139  WOW!!!   3 no yes yes  
 Ampplays 39T03413 1989 3413  WOW!!!   3 no yes yes  
 Karmacutioner 39S05721 1989 5721  WOW!!!  VA2 3 no yes yes  
 Curriculum Crasher 39S06475 1989 6475  WOW!!!  VA2 3 No yes yes  
 Genesisdoesnick 39T10843 1989 10843   3 no yes yes  
 Karmacutioner 39S19299 1989 19299  VA2 3 no yes yes  
 blank964 39U25160 1989 25160   3 No Yes Yes  
 sean42 39W25227 1989 25227  VA3 3 No Yes Yes  
 Mr Flutter pie 39U26499 1989 26499   3 No Yes Yes  
 Steven Goodwin 39S29259 1989 29259  VA2 3 No Yes Yes  
 idul 39T29442 1989 29442   3 No Yes Yes  
 Ampplays 39V30650 1989 30650   3 no yes yes  
 flauswalrus/Kickmeister 39t32869 1989 32869   3 no yes yes  
 Space Flea 39V37597 1989 37597   3 No Yes Yes  
 Maverick 39S46028 1989 46028  VA2 3 No Yes Yes  
 K Thrower 39V50234 1989 50234  VA3 3 No Yes Yes  
 Nesmaniac 39S51952 1989 51952   3 No Yes Yes  
 K Thrower 39T53900 1989 53900   VA2 3 No Yes Yes  
 dballin 39T61805 1989 61805   3 No Yes Yes  
 Curriculum Crasher 39S69502 1989 69502  VA2 3 No Yes Yes  
 thegirlg33K 39W83487 1989 83487  VA3 3 No Yes Yes  
 flatuswalrus 99N89032 1989 89032   9 No Yes Yes  
 mU$!c 39T90701 1989 90701  VA2 3 No Yes Yes  
 sean42 39S93002 1989 93002  VA2 3 No Yes Yes  
 Orangecrushgamer 30W01794 1990 1794  VA3 3 No Yes Yes  
 ebay listing 30T12448 1990 12448    3 No Yes Yes  
 Wormetti 40E37445 1990 37445  VA4 4 No Yes   Yes
 mu$!c 30T41616 1990 41616  VA3 3 No Yes Yes  
 Curriculum Crasher 30V66483 1990 66483  VA3 3 No Yes Yes  
 Gandlin 30T78600 1990 78600   3 No Yes Yes  
 Final Flight cd 30V88523 1990 88523   3    ? Yes Yes  
 flatuswalrus 41E08257 1991 8257   4 Yes Yes   Yes
 Curriculum Crasher 31U16670 1991 16670  VA6 3 Yes Yes Yes  
 flatuswalrus 110021388 1991 21388     1 Yes Yes   Yes
 DreamWarrior 31X27645 1991 27645   3 Yes Yes Yes  
 Jimmy Yakapucci 31W66914 1991 66914   3 Yes Yes Yes  
 Jimmy Yakapucii B10147856 1991 147856   B Yes Yes Yes  
 Nieds 16 B10249852 1991 249852   B Yes Yes Yes  
 Jimmy Yakapucci B10283709 1991 283709   B Yes Yes Yes  
 flatuswalrus A10381140 1991 381140   A Yes Yes Yes  
 Curriculum Crasher 110045607 1991 45607  VA3 1 Yes Yes Yes  
 AsmikAce A16055303 1991 55303   A Yes Yes Yes  
 Jimmy Yakapucii A109901352 1991 9901352 (Korean)   Yes No  ?  ?
 Curriculum Crasher B200001508 1992 1508  VA6 B Yes Yes Yes  
 Wormetti 120003797 1992 3797 (Mother board '91)  VA4 1 no Yes   Yes
 K Thrower 021061517 1992 61517   0 Yes No Yes  
 K Thrower 320094386 1992 94386   3 Yes No Yes  
 acomicbookguy R20102521 1992 102521   R Yes No Yes  
 K Thrower 120133456 1992 133456   1 Yes No Yes  
 K Thrower 120145930 1992 145930   1 Yes No Yes  
 K Thrower 120188748 1992 188748   1 Yes No Yes  
 K Thrower 320189379 1992 189379   3 Yes No Yes  
 OldSchool80skid B20269631 1992 269631   B Yes No Yes  
 dukeofhurl99 020373156 1992 373156   0 Yes No Yes  
 Nesboy43 G20057180 1992 57180   G Yes No Yes  
 Fighting Viper 120243720 1992 243720   1 Yes No Yes  
 Count Dracura B20751503 1992 751503   B Yes No Yes  
 dbtmellis B20806279 1992 806279   B Yes No Yes  
 DreamWarrior 020852622 1992 852622   0 Yes No Yes  
 dballin B20919179 1992 919179   B Yes No Yes  
 flatuswalrus 130014138 1993 14138   1 Yes No   Yes


Edited: 02/06/2019 at 01:03 AM by sean42

Mar 12, 2013 at 6:55:45 AM
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I have an early model one that says high definition graphics above the cartridge slot. The serial number number is: 41e 08257

Mar 12, 2013 at 8:04:28 AM
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I'm not going to bother digging mine out. It is a HDG model, but it is a TMSS unit so it is obviously older than yours sean42.

Mar 12, 2013 at 8:50:00 AM
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Originally posted by: nieds16

I'm not going to bother digging mine out. It is a HDG model, but it is a TMSS unit so it is obviously older than yours sean42.
Well that's no fun!

Mar 12, 2013 at 11:46:31 AM
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Hi Nieds

Ok I know you are joking with me now .Since we figured out that the Non TMSS units are older. Still if you have any
time it would be nice to know and see when they started using the TMSS also.

Thanks


Edited: 03/12/2013 at 11:51 AM by sean42

Mar 12, 2013 at 11:48:45 AM
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Hi Dane

Ok then yours is made in factory 4 in 1991 and was the 8257 console made in that year. That still a very low number
for 1991.



Edited: 03/12/2013 at 12:10 PM by sean42

Mar 12, 2013 at 12:11:08 PM
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B20919179 non-HDG.

No idea if it's TMSS since I don't recall ever hooking this one up. I've got one that's definitely TMSS since it's the Sonic pack-in box from 92, launch box HDG, and another HDG one loose. Too lazy to pull down and open up boxes and the loose one is my gaming console and has the SCD metal plate attached which is enough of a deterrent for me.

Mar 12, 2013 at 12:18:04 PM
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Originally posted by: sean42

Ok then yours is made in factory 4 in 1991 and was the 8257 console made in that year. That's still a very low number for 1991.
Interesting, something I never bothered to look into before. I have 4 other model one systems that I will have to take out of their boxes and have a look at their numbers.

Mar 12, 2013 at 12:22:02 PM
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Originally posted by: dballin

B20919179 non-HDG.

No idea if it's TMSS since I don't recall ever hooking this one up. I've got one that's definitely TMSS since it's the Sonic pack-in box from 92, launch box HDG, and another HDG one loose. Too lazy to pull down and open up boxes and the loose one is my gaming console and has the SCD metal plate attached which is enough of a deterrent for me.





Non-TMSS units are only high definition graphics units so if your isn't HDG, i guarentee it is a TMSS unit.

Mar 12, 2013 at 12:27:34 PM
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Originally posted by: dballin

B20919179 non-HDG.

No idea if it's TMSS since I don't recall ever hooking this one up. I've got one that's definitely TMSS since it's the Sonic pack-in box from 92, launch box HDG, and another HDG one loose. Too lazy to pull down and open up boxes and the loose one is my gaming console and has the SCD metal plate attached which is enough of a deterrent for me.
Ok I will try and look and see when Sega started to produce the Non High Definition systems.
They just came out after the ones that have High Definition Graphics written on the console.

Usually the second number stands for the year. So this would date your system to 1992.

Let me see if I can find out the rest of the information in your serial number,

Thanks



Mar 12, 2013 at 12:40:40 PM
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Hi


Nieds Is very correct on this.

Your Serial number broken down  B20919179

I did look up what I needed to for your unit.

Ok the B does stand for a factory yours came out of.

The number 2 does stand for the year 1992
The next number *0* stands for the production run yours came out of.

the 919179 is the number of the unit you have.

This unit is a TMSS unit.


Well I hope this helps you out.

Thanks


Edited: 03/12/2013 at 12:54 PM by sean42

Mar 12, 2013 at 12:59:49 PM
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Mine is B20806279.

It has TMSS
It does not have HDG written on it

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Edited: 03/12/2013 at 01:01 PM by derekellis

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Originally posted by: sean42

I thought this could be a fun one to do
It would be fun if you maybe edit and add everyone's system's serial who posts here to your first post in this thread in date order so we can easily see who has the oldest system. Just an idea / suggestion.

Mar 12, 2013 at 1:05:08 PM
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Gaming console: 39T61805

Winning maybe?


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Mar 12, 2013 at 4:23:52 PM
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Hi Dballin

Ok so far you have it. it with your serial number.
39T61805

Factory 3

second number 9 will be 1989

Production run T

unit made 61805

I knew someone had an older one than mine.

you are in the lead for the oldest found so far.



Mar 12, 2013 at 4:45:19 PM
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Hi everyone

Ok look and see where your sega falls on this list.

It will be found at the bottom of the very first post under this thread.

Thanks

Mar 12, 2013 at 4:45:31 PM
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Originally posted by: dballin

Gaming console: 39T61805

Winning maybe?

That can't be your non HDG console. Do you have multiple?


Mar 12, 2013 at 4:54:12 PM
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Originally posted by: dballin

Gaming console: 39T61805

Winning maybe?

Hi
   I think you have this one. Now if we go by the production runs of the letter "S" and "T"
Then some how it would make mine still the oldest.

I need to see about the productio runs and see if they went in order. See if that machine has the TMSS
Show up when you insert a cartridge,

I am going to read up on the production Runs and see how they did this in 1989.

I did put you in first place because of the unit number being much lower than mine.

I will try and find info on the Production runs in 1989 at sega

Thanks



Mar 12, 2013 at 5:14:34 PM
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Hi dballin

What I found out is that the "S" would come before the "T" ,but there is only one way to prove
this. The Version you have. It inside the Gensis on the main board. They have it written.

Ok this is the only way we will be able to tell which machine is older in this case.

Motherboard revisions:

-Non-TMSS: VA2, VA3, VA4, VA5

If your revision is a VA3 or higher then your machine would be newer than mine with the "S"

according to Sega records they went in order with the productions letters out of the same factory.
Since your was made in factory 3 like mine then the T would be after the S productions.

I still question this, but the Version on the main board inside would really make this clear.

This is one way of finding out what Sega did on the really early productions of this machine.


I am still keeping you having the oldest machine till we know more since the last number does represent
the number of the unit made in that year.

Your number is clearly lower than mine.

Thanks



Edited: 03/12/2013 at 07:23 PM by sean42

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Hi Everyone

This is to anyone who might have a Model 1 with the words above the Cartridge slot that says
HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS !!!!!

We are looking for your serial numbers. Lets see where your system places in age on the list .

List is at the bottom of the first post. Lets get your system on there. Read the first post and see how old
your is. It will tell you how to date your system.

Thanks


Edited: 03/12/2013 at 06:53 PM by sean42

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31X27645

Mar 12, 2013 at 9:26:20 PM
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I could find out the version, but it might take me a day or two before I am able to get around cracking open the genesis case. Its printed on the mobo

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Mar 12, 2013 at 10:19:38 PM
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Hi dbtmellis

    Take your time . This is suppose to be fun.

Thanks

Mar 12, 2013 at 10:23:10 PM
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Hi DreamWarrior

         Ok I will first break down you serial number on post it to the list.

Let take the first number 3. This is the factory your machin came from
 
The second number 1 is for the year 1991

The X is the production yours came out of.

the last digits is 27645 This is the number of your unit in the year 1991.

Now lets get you on the list.

Mar 12, 2013 at 10:40:13 PM
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nieds16               B10249852                1991                   249852                B            Yes

You need to add whether it is HDG or not as I'm sure there will be overlap of production plans burning up stock before the switch. I'm sure some ran out of the HDG equipment before others.

Opened mine up to see what revision it was. Is on the back side of the motherboard? I am really feeling too lazy to take the shielding off and have to keep track of all of those screws. Somebody has opened it before though as the gliding volume nob was not in place.


Edited: 03/12/2013 at 11:16 PM by nieds16